Heather's post from yesterday generated quite a bit of interest, if my email box is any indicator, and I thought that I would post this piece from my brother-in-Christ, Mick, who had a lot to say on the subject.
Heather,
I'm a Seminarian (read: pastor-in-training) up here in the sticks with
the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada. I too have a young family
-- my eldest is three and the youngest is 18 months.
When one was two years and the other four months, I went to a large
church in Calgary Alberta to be their intern pastor for a year. It
was an absolutely fantastic experience, save for one thing: the
elderly people who would complain about my children in worship. One
person, after I picked up my youngest at the end of the service when
he came toddling up to me, actually told me that "no one else gets to
bring their children to work."
My response to this was actually pretty simple: their kind and loving
Vicar became as nasty as they were being with an added twist: I asked
them if they had, as one person suggested, beaten their children to
get them to be quiet. Receiving a 'yes' response, I then asked if
their child
(now grown) was still in church, and to that the response
was always -- always -- 'no'.
Then I would look them in the eye and ask them how they could excuse
their way as being better.
The point is, Heather, that young families need the church, but not to
be segregated or forced to conform to an earlier generations' ideals.
I've seen this before with other churches: younger families are
desirable, but only if they look, dress, and act circa 1955. Churches
have dealt with problems like this before; they deal with them again.
But a word of caution to you, and others who have had similar
experiences -- do NOT turn this issue to your pastor to fix. He or
she simply can't. More to the point, the church only has one Messiah;
you (
and other families in your church with similar experiences) need
to address the issue yourselves.
For waaaaaaaay too long the manufactured ideal of "arguments don't
happen in church" has been enforced as a means of
a)keeping status
quo; and
b)allowing passive aggressive people to build and maintain a
power base. This needs to stop, and the only way it will is through
confrontation. When someone says something hateful to you, look back
and them and tell them behaviour is deplorable for a playground, let
alone a place of worship.
What distinguishes Christianity from other traditions is that Jesus
LOVED little children. There are numerous accounts of the disciples
wanting to send the children off to somewhere else but Jesus
correcting them, and gathering the little ones in closer. This should
be what distinguishes Christian churches from other ones; nothing
annoys me more
(with due respect to lilacspecs) than funereal silence
at a joyous occasion such as baptisms. 'Respectful silence' is an
oxymoron at these times. The point of Christian worship -- I would
argue -- is celebration, as we give thanks for our lives (as many
traditions celebrate the 'Eucharist' from the Greek word meaning 'to
give thanks'). This is what makes Christianity different from other
religions -- we do not go through prescribed motions to appease a
deity, or chant texts to remember the teachers of an ancient, but we
should be celebrating Christ in our midst continually, at this very
moment.
But Kathleen is right when she says that churches that are populated
by a generation that demands conformity should plan on dying out --
put simply, and as I pointed out to another person who tried to tell
me that my children weren't behaving as 'pastor's children' should,
those churches are already dead. They just don't know it yet.
I think there's a blog posting about this percolating over in my neck
of the woods....
Can I get an Amen?
Thanks so much for jumping in, Mick! For those of you who haven't done it, yet, please visit Mick's blog , you'll be glad you did.